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is there a reason the pronunciation is in a footnote not next to his name as usual? Bufobuff (talk) 22:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's just to make the lead section less cluttered. Kornatice (talk) 00:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation of his name

I'd argue against any "official" English pronunciation of his name. His mother tongue was German and for all I know, he never lived in an English-speaking country, so he certainly never pronounced his name in any of the English ways suggested in this article. Can we just agree on the German pronunciation as the correct one? 2A01:599:32A:32C3:211:5130:9F51:68B3 (talk) 14:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish ancestry ??

I'm really confused by the claim that Goethe had Turkish ancestry. It is a known fact (and is stated in the article) that he was partly descended from the Soldan family, an eastern European noble family of either Hungarian or Baltic-German origin. But then I don't see how this implies he had "Turkish" ancestry. Am I missing something ? Cormarenc07 (talk) 09:31, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To Whom It May Concern: The Hungarian people are not of Turkish extraction. I would advise the members of the editing board to consult the evidentiary material that is presented on the Wikipedia article devoted to the matter of the genetics of the inhabitants of the nation of Hungary. According to the graphical data-table that is on display at the present time, it is made clear to the reader that the Hungarian people bear the closest genetic affinity with their Central European and Eastern European neighbors, which is in opposition to their bearing a closeness in genetic affinity with Central Asiatics. According to the article detailing the origins of the Soldan family, it is made clear to the reader that the prevailing scholarly view, as evidenced by the article’s in-text citations, is in support of a Hungarian, or possibly Baltic German, origin to the family’s bloodline. 67.247.13.141 (talk) 17:29, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

they are not the same family i have not seen anything that mentions about johnn in the soldan family on my researchTurkiishh (talk) 18:08, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Venny Soldan-Brofeldt her father's last name is soldan but not mentioned in both johnn and soldian family pageTurkiishh (talk) 18:35, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Look at turks in germany Turkiishh (talk) 18:04, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Turkiishh, you really need to stop to write in Google ebooks "x person/dynasty Turkish/Turkic" and pick whatever you see. I've removed the Turkish ancestry bit since having a Turkish ancestor(s) from centuries ago does not equal someone having "Turkish ancestry". I fail to see how this is even relevant to mention, Johann would have descendants of other origins too by this point. If you have concerns, reach WP:CONSENSUS here. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't even added a source and it just says that his grandmother is of turkish originTurkiishh (talk) 17:27, 24 March 2025 (UTC) look turks in germanyfor descendantsTurkiishh (talk) 17:36, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Turks in Germany is irrelevant here per WP:OTHER. Please refrain from edit warring, this is not the first time you have done this. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:38, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add A Fact: "Goethe's poem 'Abglanz' analysis"

I found a fact that might belong in this article. See the quote below

When in a gap left in the magnificent poem “Abglanz” (Anke Bosse: “Goethe was missing the words!”) finally the term “picture” was used, then it seems (like all the tuning) as a rather simple solution. But it still needs to be found. Goethe writes himself, turns here, turns there, finally turns the poem upside down once again by placing the beginning at the end. In this case, this also documents a rumbling sheet that the friend Sulpiz Boisserée pulled out of the trash.

The fact comes from the following source:

https://web.archive.org/web/20201031013310/https://www.fr.de/kultur/literatur/jahre-west-oestlicher-divan-liebende-bagdad-nicht-weit-12932639.html

Here is a wikitext snippet to use as a reference:

 {{Cite web |title=200 Jahre „West-östlicher Divan“: Für Liebende ist Bagdad nicht weit {{!}} Literatur |url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201031013310/https://www.fr.de/kultur/literatur/jahre-west-oestlicher-divan-liebende-bagdad-nicht-weit-12932639.html |website=web.archive.org |date=2020-10-31 |access-date=2025-03-28 |quote=When in a gap left in the magnificent poem “Abglanz” (Anke Bosse: “Goethe was missing the words!”) finally the term “picture” was used, then it seems (like all the tuning) as a rather simple solution. But it still needs to be found. Goethe writes himself, turns here, turns there, finally turns the poem upside down once again by placing the beginning at the end. In this case, this also documents a rumbling sheet that the friend Sulpiz Boisserée pulled out of the trash.}}

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SunshineAllNight (talk) 03:14, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]