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Should lead images require to add with alt text?

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I discovered some of the video game logos or covers lacking alt text for visually impaired people. Ahri Boy (talk) 01:13, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adding alt-text to images is often recommended when an article is reviewed for WP:GAN, and oftentimes a requirement for WP:FAC. Beyond that, alt-text is fully optional. If you're proposing that alt-text be a requirement, I don't really see how such an idea could be enforced across tens of thousands of articles that have images, many of which we might not even know exist due to this wikiproject's scope. It would more likely than not just lead to alt captions like "A screenshot of X" or "Box art of X" rather than anything actually helpful to readers. λ NegativeMP1 01:44, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, "alt text should be present for all images" is very true, but we don't have a way to enforce it across all 40,000+ articles, especially since there's no automated way to create them. --PresN 02:14, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, alt text should be added for all key images, event cover art. the alt text needs to be descriptive of what is on the cover, not just saying "it's cover art". see WP:ALTTEXT.
That said, mandating it for sub-GA articles isn't necessary but it is a good goal to push editors to do as they improve articles. Masem (t) 02:19, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just echoing the comments above, add Alt text whenever possible. All the contributors here have worked hard to craft quality content; why not make sure every part of it is accessible for as many readers as possible? If anyone needs help with Alt text, please feel free to reach out. I'm not active but will make time to help with this. (Guyinblack25 talk 00:23, 25 February 2025 (UTC))[reply]

New Articles (February 17 to February 23)

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.20 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 01:45, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion needed at Talk:Video game

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We have a couple editors trying to change the long-standing lede image of kids playing Pong at Video game , and probably need more input from the project there. — Masem (t) 04:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to participate at the RfC: Talk:Video game#RFC: lead image -- Some1 (talk) 05:24, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you've already weighed in here, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop by again; I'm curious what you all think about having more than one lead image, collage-style. Panini! • 🥪 18:21, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Neo Geo (system)#Requested move 9 February 2025

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Neo Geo (system)#Requested move 9 February 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPathtalk 14:38, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New Articles (February 24 to March 2)

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.20 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 01:19, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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ROM Downloads as RS

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I am bringing this over from the Teahouse by Recommendation of User:Slowking Man. As far as I can tell there aren't any explicit restrictions on citing ROM downloads for games (such as fan translations or own created). I have encountered them at Rhythm Tengoku and List of Creepypastas and just marked them using "Non-primary source needed". An admin in the thread explained that they are most likely copyvio (especially since the former is a fan translation and the latter is based off of Godzilla), but I thought I should ask for additional opinions and maybe add it to the project's sources page. Yes I am a nerd -XCBRO172 (How could you tell?) 04:31, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think besides copyright concerns, citing fan translations would be tricky as the inherent nature of translation means details and character names can and have changed (for good or ill) between the different fans doing the translating. Harryhenry1 (talk) 04:51, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, unless the ROM is wholly the work of a fan creation and free of any IP issues, most ROMs would be possible copyright problems and should be avoided as a source. Masem (t) 04:51, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, this would be a WP:COPYVIO problem. If you've witnessed this elsewhere, then you've simply observed other errors needing fixing. We can't be linking to rom downloads on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 15:05, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm gonna chime in and say only (keyword being ONLY) cite links to the ROM if they are provided by the original developer or publisher, like how Gaelco did with the 1993 arcade game World Rally years ago (https://web.archive.org/web/20100608111145/http://www.gaelco.es/pages/hablando/frhablan.htm) for example. Roberth Martinez (talk) 21:40, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy

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Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:16, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notability for esports events

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Would've asked at Wikipedia:ESPORTS, but that project looks very dead, so I figured I'd ask here. I recently finished improving Pokémon competitive play and figured that I may start planning in case I hit up Pokémon World Championships in the future. The main problem with that article is that it's covering a large number of events from prior years that lack articles (The 2014, 15, and 16 Championships), and no other articles bar 2023 Pokémon World Championships have articles. I checked around, but there's no equivalent policy to Wikipedia:NSPORTS for esports, and from what research I've done for the competitive play article, all coverage on past Championships events seems to be largely Wikipedia:ROUTINE at best, with little in the way of lasting notability.

What should be done in regards to covering esports events in this manner? Should all content be cut bar the bare essentials for past events? Should the events be split out into a list? Into individual articles? I'm not really quite sure what criteria these events are working on for notability, so I wanted to ask for advice on how best to cover these events under the project's scope. Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 18:06, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you can find reliable independent sources writing prose about these events, then you're fine. In my experience, being able to describe how the event went and what happened in it is what you need. Helpful information is what makes the event different from previous incarnations. Being able to describe what happened in the major matches themselves, and how the tournaments fit into the stories of the major competitors, is the other half that makes writing these interesting and fun. Having written Evo 2011 up to Evo 2017 in the past, such competitions can have a lot of details to cover. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To start, the basics should be followed, like WP:GNG and WP:GAMECRUFT. Many of the ones I stumble upon doing even do that. I've never thought the endless tournament brackets were appropriate for an encyclopedia, but I don't edit the area, let alone prominently enough to combat the endless adding of them. Sergecross73 msg me 19:39, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A nice little table or chart is nice, but yeah, we're not a sports almanac. We should focus on adding descriptions and context instead, it's frustrating to just see lists of names and placements. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 21:40, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Non-English game titles

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I'm asking for someone to look into and help with the editing of non-English game titles by User:Ding Chavez. I can determine from my experience that the addition of the French title to The Awesome Adventures of Captain Spirit was incorrect due to the game being published internationally in English by Square Enix. But I struggle with, e.g. The Mysterious Cities of Gold: Secret Paths, published by Ynnis Interactive. This appears to be a literal translation, so Template:EFN should be used in any case like on Japanese games. Regards IgelRM (talk) 19:40, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Whales

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Hello. While editing, I wanted to link to the concept of Whale (video games).

This term, sometimes viewed as derogatory, refers to a small number of highly engaged players who provide significant revenue to live-service games. In 2024, for example, League of Legends's game director said that "the vast majority of players spend $0 on a free play game. As a consequence of that, the majority of our revenue comes from a small, single-digit percentage of players" (PC Gamer).

Whale (video games) does not redirect. When I visited to Whale (disambiguation), it provides High roller as a similar term in gambling. Whale (gaming) redirects to Free to play#Comparison with traditional model. The term is mentioned in live-service games under the "Microtransactions" bit (currently unsourced).

I can spend some time on this in the near-future but wanted to first solicit views here on the best way and place to integrate, if good sourcing exists for it. My current, working view is that the right place to bundle it would be within a Free-to-play header within live-service games. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 14:13, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My nuanced take is that we should talk about whales as an important part of the free-to-play model, but not necessarily use that term, or even give it a separate article. The term can be seen as derogatory, though it is still one of the most common terms. Putting it in the context of, say, microtransactions would help readers understand why these high paying customers are so important. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:03, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the input, Shooter. Contextualising alongside microtransactions makes sense. I understand it's a term a lot of people don't like, but yeah it is very widely used. If it did have its own article, what would you name it instead? — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 18:16, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure. I've heard the more neutral "high-value customer", but this applies to customers outside gaming too. I've also heard the term "power user", but this includes other types of software, and isn't always about monetization. If we're being incremental, maybe start by expanding a section in the microtransaction article, and if it grows really quickly, the article title will present itself. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:31, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha. So far, I've only seen sources refer to them as "whales". WP:NOTCENSORED may apply regarding the offensive part of it. I will see what is out there and report back in a bit. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 18:39, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll just jump in and say I've never heard the term considered derogatory in communities, in fact there have been variations of it come up in those around mobile games such as FGO such as dolphin for someone that spends occasionally and leviathan for those that spend massive amounts on a title. I feel that could use some sourcing to establish that of course, but Shoot's comment did take my by surprise.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:43, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
From my experience as a former devout League of Legends player, some of my big-spender friends dislike it because it... well, it compares them to a gigantic ocean mammal. "Dolphin" is definitely cuter and fits me (hopefully I qualify with my one-battle pass-a-year purchase). Hell, "whale" is one of the non-person WP:WikiFauna. I'll be curious to see what sourcing says – my current understanding is that the term was borrowed from gambling and considerably predates online gaming. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 20:56, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's worth noting that "whale" is not a game industry specific term. It's also used in gambling (see high roller) and marketing in a similar sense. Axem Titanium (talk) 08:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think you might just be restating what the message you're replying to says – my OP mentions high rollers too. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 11:14, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
remember we have or glossary page, where whale is defined. And while it may seem derogatory, it is absolutely a term used by those that work with or study micro transaction-based games (proverbally based on targeting the few whales among all the smaller fish out there), so I don't think trying to mask the term is really appropriate, particularly if no sources treat it that way. (counter example, "walking simulator" has been documented as being a derogatory term initially but the broader consensus has since changed). Masem (t) 18:48, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Seconding this (and Kung Fu Man too.) I'd work on building up the glossary entry, and using redirect(s) to link to that. I'm unconcerned about it being derogatory, as it has no real documented negative social/political connotations that I've ever seen. Sergecross73 msg me 19:12, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense, Masem and Serge. Is there a help page that will explain how I redirect a page to a specific section of an article that isn't a heading? — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 20:56, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Use #REDIRECT [[page name#section or anchor name]] — Masem (t) 21:16, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New Articles (March 3 to March 9)

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.20 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 18:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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For those sick of seeing Overwatch on this, I have bad news: I have at least 4 more potential spinouts in the oven for the Good Topic project I'm working on. My apologies in advance.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:13, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like my several nasty letters didn't reach you in time, then. I'd sum them up here but they're quite vulgar. Panini! • 🥪 05:36, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion on the reliability of Noisy Pixel

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Anyone interested please see WP:RSN#Noisy Pixel -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 18:30, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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